WEBVTT 00:00:03.423 --> 00:00:06.263 Ladies and gentlemen, according to statistics from the Ministry of Labor, Invalids and Social Affairs, 00:00:06.623 --> 00:00:10.303 Up to now, the rate of workers in industrial zones who can buy or rent houses is still low. 00:00:10.843 --> 00:00:16.023 As of May 2023, there are 398 industrial parks nationwide with about 7 million workers, 00:00:16.383 --> 00:00:18.803 In which more than 50% of workers have housing needs. 00:00:19.283 --> 00:00:21.903 While the rate of housing serving workers working in industrial zones, 00:00:21.903 --> 00:00:24.883 The new export processing zones only meet about 30% of demand. 00:00:25.583 --> 00:00:30.358 Survey data in 2024 showed that 53.9% of migrant workers are living in rented 00:00:30.358 --> 00:00:32.063 rooms of level 4 houses. 00:00:32.063 --> 00:00:35.303 House for rent, house made of corrugated iron or fiber cement. 00:00:35.863 --> 00:00:39.883 For level 4 boarding houses, although most of them are equipped with private toilets, 00:00:40.203 --> 00:00:41.683 but living space is very limited. 00:00:42.323 --> 00:00:46.003 Currently, capital for the social housing development program for workers is still quite limited. 00:00:46.283 --> 00:00:48.003 difficult to access and not yet met the needs. 00:00:48.703 --> 00:00:52.483 Regarding the issue of land use fee exemption, home buyers, renters, and businesses themselves 00:00:52.483 --> 00:00:54.143 not directly benefit from this policy. 00:00:54.143 --> 00:00:57.303 10% profit in social housing investment is not attractive enough. 00:00:57.983 --> 00:01:01.863 In addition, there are issues regarding construction planning and project development. 00:01:01.863 --> 00:01:04.023 only focus on technical infrastructure works. 00:01:04.523 --> 00:01:07.223 There is no decentralization of management and investment in the policy mechanism. 00:01:07.823 --> 00:01:11.163 To solve the shortage of accommodation for workers in recent times, 00:01:11.623 --> 00:01:14.523 The Party and the State have had many policies to address workers' aspirations. 00:01:14.883 --> 00:01:17.523 But the implementation process still has many barriers that make the number of workers 00:01:17.523 --> 00:01:20.963 The proportion of people who have not had access to social housing benefits is high. 00:01:21.463 --> 00:01:23.643 Today, Ban Lao Dong organizes a talk show with the topic 00:01:23.643 --> 00:01:26.783 Lack of housing for workers in industrial parks, current situation and solutions 00:01:26.783 --> 00:01:27.963 to discuss this issue. 00:01:28.423 --> 00:01:31.343 Attending the Semi-Labor discussion today, I would like to respectfully introduce 00:01:31.343 --> 00:01:34.050 Mr. Le Van Nghia, Head of the Trade Union Institution Project Management 00:01:34.050 --> 00:01:35.403 Department, Vietnam General Confederation of Labor. 00:01:36.134 --> 00:01:37.974 Hello everyone. 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:41.203 And I would like to respectfully introduce Mr. Nguyen Hoang Nam, General 00:01:41.203 --> 00:01:43.430 Director of G-Home Joint Stock Company, Social Housing Development Enterprise. 00:01:43.677 --> 00:01:45.137 Hello audience 00:01:45.466 --> 00:01:48.973 To start today's program, we would like to invite our two guests and the 00:01:48.973 --> 00:01:50.726 audience to watch the following short report. 00:01:52.098 --> 00:01:56.578 Ms. Le Thi Bich Hoa is a teacher, her husband is a worker at Quang Minh industrial park. 00:01:57.238 --> 00:02:01.349 Because she could not afford to buy her own house, her family chose to rent a 00:02:01.349 --> 00:02:03.918 worker's house at CT1B building, Kim Trung, Dong Anh, Hanoi. 00:02:04.658 --> 00:02:07.191 Renting a house and living there from the beginning, I was too familiar with 00:02:07.191 --> 00:02:08.458 the scene of falling from the elevator. 00:02:08.738 --> 00:02:12.530 Sometimes having to walk up dozens of floors every day, Ms. Bich Hoa admitted 00:02:12.530 --> 00:02:15.238 that even when buying a house at a preferential price, 00:02:15.618 --> 00:02:18.658 Her family also will not choose to buy in similar areas. 00:02:19.334 --> 00:02:25.054 From 2019, if I had to buy an apartment like this, I probably wouldn't buy it. 00:02:25.054 --> 00:02:31.966 As you can see in the ones in the hallway, or the ones inside, I actually 00:02:31.966 --> 00:02:33.694 find them quite poor. 00:02:34.274 --> 00:02:39.674 Actually, because we haven't bought a house yet, we're renting temporarily. 00:02:39.874 --> 00:02:44.634 And when we have the conditions, we will buy it elsewhere. 00:02:44.874 --> 00:02:47.194 But in fact the volume is actually quite poor. 00:02:47.194 --> 00:02:52.180 Every few days the bricks explode, the bricks just push themselves up while 00:02:52.180 --> 00:02:53.714 this elevator is unsafe. 00:02:54.154 --> 00:03:00.814 This elevator almost always breaks down and falls freely several times a month. 00:03:01.074 --> 00:03:02.174 There, very dangerous. 00:03:02.574 --> 00:03:06.374 Almost everyone here has to choose to take the stairs for safety. 00:03:07.900 --> 00:03:11.720 Housing project for workers in Thang Long industrial park, Kim Trung, Dong Anh, Hanoi 00:03:11.720 --> 00:03:16.647 is the first and only project in the country, with a scale of about 20 00:03:16.647 --> 00:03:17.960 hectares, built for workers. 00:03:18.480 --> 00:03:21.960 However, after a period of operation, the project has revealed many limitations. 00:03:22.970 --> 00:03:27.950 Which worker housing can be the type that is sold exclusively to workers? 00:03:27.950 --> 00:03:30.110 But just for temporary rental like this 00:03:30.110 --> 00:03:33.370 But for those that are built temporarily like this 00:03:33.370 --> 00:03:34.970 Then I see that the quality is not good. 00:03:34.970 --> 00:03:37.970 To call it temporary is ok. 00:03:37.970 --> 00:03:39.050 Long term then no 00:03:39.845 --> 00:03:43.182 Expensive housing and low income cannot help workers settle down and stabilize 00:03:43.182 --> 00:03:47.909 their lives, so many workers admit that they do not have the need to stay in the 00:03:47.909 --> 00:03:51.525 industrial park and will consider returning to their hometowns in the long run. 00:03:52.771 --> 00:03:59.431 Or like a week ago the elevator broke down, but now it's been working fine. 00:03:59.491 --> 00:04:03.311 People said that while walking, the ladder suddenly sank down. 00:04:03.591 --> 00:04:10.371 For example, this floor, because it's my floor, it just exploded. 00:04:10.631 --> 00:04:13.531 It was exploded by bricks, it was pressed against it, it exploded all the bricks. 00:04:13.751 --> 00:04:18.055 If worker housing were easier to buy and more interesting, would I choose to stay 00:04:18.055 --> 00:04:20.351 in this house to work with my job? 00:04:20.351 --> 00:04:21.551 You don't have to forget. 00:04:22.771 --> 00:04:28.551 Because people living in the countryside feel more peaceful and more comfortable. 00:04:28.968 --> 00:04:31.998 The first solution is to rent to people, rent to the government for support, 00:04:31.998 --> 00:04:34.813 workers' salaries are very low, people do not have enough money to raise 00:04:34.813 --> 00:04:36.328 children, how can they rent a house. 00:04:37.048 --> 00:04:42.148 Those who can afford it can buy it. The third type is installment sales. After a 00:04:42.148 --> 00:04:45.973 certain number of years, people will pay in installments, and then the 00:04:45.973 --> 00:04:47.248 house will become theirs. 00:04:47.428 --> 00:04:49.128 That option is the optimal option. 00:04:49.528 --> 00:04:52.874 In terms of administrative procedures for renting, borrowing, and selling 00:04:52.874 --> 00:04:56.889 houses, they must be very open and must create opportunities for workers 00:04:56.889 --> 00:04:58.228 to quickly access them. 00:04:58.228 --> 00:05:02.399 But there should not be too many procedures, workers are busy with work, 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.928 they do not have time to take care of administrative procedures. 00:05:06.148 --> 00:05:08.956 Therefore, we must support workers, reduce all administrative procedures, 00:05:08.956 --> 00:05:13.012 and create opportunities for people to have early access to housing so that 00:05:13.012 --> 00:05:15.508 they have the conditions to work and prosper. 00:05:16.218 --> 00:05:19.146 The Hanoi City Labor Federation said that there is currently a serious 00:05:19.146 --> 00:05:21.098 shortage of housing for workers in the area. 00:05:21.618 --> 00:05:24.786 The whole city currently has nearly 170,000 industrial park workers, of 00:05:24.786 --> 00:05:27.378 which people from other provinces account for about 80%. 00:05:27.378 --> 00:05:31.218 However, the city only has 3 industrial parks, including Thach That, Thang 00:05:31.218 --> 00:05:32.498 Long and Phu Nghia, 00:05:32.878 --> 00:05:36.748 There is a housing project for workers, meeting nearly 20% of the 00:05:36.748 --> 00:05:38.038 housing needs of workers. 00:05:38.538 --> 00:05:42.783 About 80% of workers do not have housing and have to rent houses built by 00:05:42.783 --> 00:05:44.198 local people in residential areas. 00:05:44.198 --> 00:05:49.092 Social housing projects for workers are few and in fact do not meet 00:05:49.092 --> 00:05:50.598 the needs of workers. 00:05:51.031 --> 00:05:53.931 The above report partly reflects the difficulties of workers today. 00:05:53.931 --> 00:05:56.540 Because of the lack of housing, the paradox that is happening today is that 00:05:56.540 --> 00:05:58.031 despite the very small and lack of housing 00:05:58.031 --> 00:06:01.911 But the workers were not interested in the houses built for themselves. 00:06:02.251 --> 00:06:04.531 Mr. Le Van Nghia, what is your assessment of this situation? 00:06:05.425 --> 00:06:09.077 The reality is that currently, laborers and workers in industrial parks 00:06:09.077 --> 00:06:10.405 and export processing zones 00:06:10.405 --> 00:06:13.425 is not strong but with the houses of his own. 00:06:14.265 --> 00:06:19.803 The first thing is that the housing area of ​​the house where the worker 00:06:19.803 --> 00:06:21.385 lives is very small. 00:06:21.385 --> 00:06:25.524 and the facilities that support their standard of living are 00:06:25.524 --> 00:06:26.765 still very limited. 00:06:27.545 --> 00:06:32.715 Especially in industrial parks and export processing zones, the labor force 00:06:32.715 --> 00:06:34.125 is very large. 00:06:34.125 --> 00:06:37.165 This makes it a bit inconvenient for them to travel. 00:06:37.685 --> 00:06:42.045 This leads to their being inadequate in terms of both physical condition and mobility. 00:06:42.045 --> 00:06:46.085 and take all the things about their convenience 00:06:46.085 --> 00:06:50.905 resulting in not being as strong as the opportunities they have now. 00:06:51.477 --> 00:06:53.277 Yes, what about Mr. Nguyen Hoang Nam? 00:06:53.397 --> 00:06:56.357 As a social island development enterprise, how do you assess this situation? 00:06:56.641 --> 00:07:01.521 According to our records, there are two relatively opposite trends, in the 00:07:01.521 --> 00:07:03.961 Southern region and the Northern region. 00:07:04.301 --> 00:07:09.355 In the South, for example provinces like Dong Nai and Binh Duong, the labor force 00:07:09.355 --> 00:07:13.061 mainly comes from the North, the Southwest, and the Central region. 00:07:13.121 --> 00:07:20.364 Therefore, the workers' attachment to that locality, to that area, is 00:07:20.364 --> 00:07:21.681 more extensive. 00:07:22.021 --> 00:07:26.421 So social housing developments in those areas are better received. 00:07:26.701 --> 00:07:31.957 As for the North, according to our survey, we found that for many workers, 00:07:31.957 --> 00:07:34.961 people only consider the place where they work. 00:07:34.961 --> 00:07:40.401 It is not permanent, but it has a relatively temporary nature. 00:07:40.701 --> 00:07:44.372 Even though people have husbands and wives, they still leave their children 00:07:44.372 --> 00:07:48.961 in the countryside and do not bring them up to live with their husband's grandmother. 00:07:49.501 --> 00:07:55.401 And they only do it until a certain age, like 40, 00:07:56.621 --> 00:07:59.821 And they saved a lot of money and they went back to their hometown to build. 00:08:00.221 --> 00:08:03.781 It's the same amount of money, but in the countryside they build very big houses. 00:08:04.181 --> 00:08:07.401 But where they work, they don't buy. 00:08:07.837 --> 00:08:10.749 It can be said that currently the rate of workers in industrial zones who 00:08:10.749 --> 00:08:11.997 can buy houses is still low. 00:08:11.997 --> 00:08:16.557 A large number of workers have to rent accommodation in damp and lacking basic living conditions. 00:08:16.557 --> 00:08:17.957 Even without a home 00:08:17.957 --> 00:08:20.937 As the head of the union moderation project management department of the Vietnam General Confederation of Labor. 00:08:20.937 --> 00:08:22.497 So how do you evaluate this situation? 00:08:23.294 --> 00:08:28.065 Regarding this situation, we have also surveyed many places, especially in 00:08:28.065 --> 00:08:31.534 areas where there is a large citizen workforce. 00:08:32.214 --> 00:08:38.198 For example, Bac Ninh, Bac Giang and in Dong Nai, then Binh Duong, Ho Chi Minh 00:08:38.198 --> 00:08:39.694 City and even Hanoi. 00:08:40.274 --> 00:08:46.874 These areas are really difficult for working citizens in collective 00:08:46.874 --> 00:08:48.194 housing areas. 00:08:49.234 --> 00:08:52.574 As I said earlier, first of all, their apartment is very small. 00:08:53.294 --> 00:09:02.533 Second, their sanitation area has places where people go together, not like a 00:09:02.533 --> 00:09:03.954 whole apartment. 00:09:04.994 --> 00:09:09.267 And thirdly, the conditions, electricity, water, living, their living 00:09:09.267 --> 00:09:14.014 conditions are almost gone, there is nothing to support people. 00:09:14.394 --> 00:09:17.423 This leads to great difficulty for workers when staying at 00:09:17.423 --> 00:09:18.634 the boat boarding house. 00:09:19.334 --> 00:09:23.234 Then that is the very worrying thing in the work of citizens. 00:09:23.294 --> 00:09:28.754 Workers let us regenerate the labor of workers to continue production tomorrow. 00:09:29.414 --> 00:09:33.284 Those are the current eye problems we are facing a lot in 00:09:33.284 --> 00:09:34.574 all provinces and cities. 00:09:34.574 --> 00:09:38.214 Nowadays, the reality is that there are many housing areas for workers but not many workers accept to live there. 00:09:38.214 --> 00:09:41.952 Is this because the housing projects for workers are no longer suitable for the 00:09:41.952 --> 00:09:43.554 needs of workers, Mr. Nguyen Hoang? 00:09:43.788 --> 00:09:48.003 The thing is that there aren't many workers or the 00:09:48.003 --> 00:09:49.268 workers aren't interested. 00:09:49.268 --> 00:09:52.588 For the houses that were supposed to be theirs 00:09:52.588 --> 00:09:54.868 Well it comes from both sides. 00:09:54.868 --> 00:09:58.168 The first is the cohesiveness as I just analyzed. 00:09:58.168 --> 00:10:01.348 The second factor is that there are also a lot of constructions. 00:10:01.348 --> 00:10:07.228 But it is not suitable for the working conditions of the worker. 00:10:07.228 --> 00:10:09.088 There are places where it is too big. 00:10:09.088 --> 00:10:12.568 There are places where it is too small. 00:10:12.568 --> 00:10:17.568 And it is not enough for one to be able to have both husband and wife and children. 00:10:17.568 --> 00:10:21.628 Even many of the working-class families we surveyed 00:10:21.628 --> 00:10:25.928 In order to look after the child, they need to ask the maternal and paternal grandmothers to come. 00:10:25.928 --> 00:10:29.168 Then those projects are not suitable. 00:10:29.168 --> 00:10:32.948 But perhaps more than that is the reason. 00:10:33.948 --> 00:10:37.528 The first reason is that there are not enough amenities. 00:10:37.528 --> 00:10:40.828 The surrounding services to meet their lives 00:10:40.828 --> 00:10:42.548 The second thing is that people still 00:10:42.548 --> 00:10:44.268 Still doubting the quality 00:10:44.268 --> 00:10:45.768 Because in the past 00:10:45.768 --> 00:10:50.088 The quality of social housing projects is not good. 00:10:50.088 --> 00:10:52.148 Now there is improvement 00:10:52.942 --> 00:10:56.562 Yes, currently the average income of workers is 7 million VND per month. 00:10:56.562 --> 00:10:59.402 With this income level, add up the income of both husband and wife. 00:10:59.402 --> 00:11:02.442 It is also difficult to buy a social housing with a price of 1 to 2 billion VND. 00:11:02.442 --> 00:11:06.522 So do we need a mechanism to invest, manage and distribute social housing? 00:11:06.522 --> 00:11:09.122 With many segments for workers to access, Mr. Le Van Nghia 00:11:09.918 --> 00:11:13.505 It is true that the current reality is that the balance of workers, we are 00:11:13.505 --> 00:11:15.418 currently in industrial parks and export processing zones. 00:11:15.418 --> 00:11:19.198 Mainly labor from 7 to 10 million per person 00:11:19.198 --> 00:11:22.958 And so if the couple is like that then they get 14 million 00:11:22.958 --> 00:11:27.918 To save up is to raise two children, and I haven't even mentioned family yet. 00:11:27.918 --> 00:11:31.338 It raised two children and then the couple spent it. 00:11:31.338 --> 00:11:35.878 Well I think it's just enough for two couples, a husband and wife. 00:11:35.878 --> 00:11:39.658 And so in our social housing today 00:11:39.658 --> 00:11:41.878 We have segmented very clearly. 00:11:41.878 --> 00:11:45.218 From 25m2 to 70m2 00:11:45.218 --> 00:11:49.158 And now the new housing law, the government's 100th decision maker, has just come out. 00:11:49.158 --> 00:11:54.318 There is also a suggestion that the 70m2 can be added or subtracted. 00:11:54.318 --> 00:11:58.238 Add 10% and it will be up to 77m2 for example. 00:11:58.238 --> 00:12:00.998 And its min is 25m2 00:12:00.998 --> 00:12:04.838 So the segmentation in the housing law is very clear. 00:12:04.838 --> 00:12:08.758 Leading to investors need to balance this issue. 00:12:08.758 --> 00:12:10.778 For example we do 25m2 00:12:10.778 --> 00:12:14.198 Then the house can we make a studio apartment 00:12:14.198 --> 00:12:19.518 Then there will be a new couple, maybe newly married, then people can live there. 00:12:20.338 --> 00:12:23.098 About that range is about 12-13 million 00:12:23.098 --> 00:12:24.818 One square meter 00:12:24.818 --> 00:12:26.758 Equivalent to about 300-400 million 00:12:26.758 --> 00:12:29.478 Then people can save up to buy it. 00:12:29.478 --> 00:12:32.118 So that segment and apartment are investors. 00:12:32.118 --> 00:12:34.018 And partners 00:12:34.018 --> 00:12:35.298 We need to balance that. 00:12:35.298 --> 00:12:37.218 Let us do it this way 00:12:37.218 --> 00:12:39.198 Workers can buy houses. 00:12:39.198 --> 00:12:41.398 But if you build a big apartment 00:12:41.398 --> 00:12:43.938 The investment level as you said is 1-2 million VND. 00:12:43.938 --> 00:12:46.318 Then such a level is for people with income 00:12:46.318 --> 00:12:47.658 We are 7 million 00:12:47.658 --> 00:12:49.058 One person can never buy 00:12:49.683 --> 00:12:53.020 Yes, according to current statistics, the whole country has about 3.78 million 00:12:53.020 --> 00:12:55.523 direct workers in industrial parks and export processing zones. 00:12:55.523 --> 00:12:59.483 Of which, there are about 1.8 million workers in need of housing, worker housing. 00:12:59.483 --> 00:13:03.123 Although 122 projects with a scale of about 2.7 million square meters of 00:13:03.123 --> 00:13:04.523 floor space have been completed, 00:13:04.523 --> 00:13:07.883 But it only meets about 30% of the needs of workers. 00:13:07.883 --> 00:13:09.983 Mr. Nguyen Hoang Nam, how do you evaluate this situation? 00:13:10.388 --> 00:13:16.030 The situation is that the numbers we have only calculated for workers working 00:13:16.030 --> 00:13:19.068 in industrial parks and export processing zones. 00:13:19.508 --> 00:13:24.182 There is also a very large force, which is the force of civil servants, public 00:13:24.182 --> 00:13:25.428 employees, and armed forces. 00:13:26.328 --> 00:13:31.467 So the need for more than 1 million apartments, I'm afraid, does not 00:13:31.467 --> 00:13:33.048 fully reflect this shortage. 00:13:33.048 --> 00:13:38.532 Because according to our records, our survey, the French Republic, they have 00:13:38.532 --> 00:13:42.188 been doing social housing policy for decades now. 00:13:42.608 --> 00:13:47.887 And they are a developed country but right now, the current figure is that 00:13:47.887 --> 00:13:52.788 they are still short of about 5.4 million social housing units for workers. 00:13:53.228 --> 00:13:59.260 So the problem we lack and the 1 million apartment project can only solve, in my 00:13:59.260 --> 00:14:00.768 opinion, the first step. 00:14:01.408 --> 00:14:03.028 We probably need to grow. 00:14:03.048 --> 00:14:08.313 We must upgrade this project to become a strategy for social housing development 00:14:08.313 --> 00:14:11.148 and it must be long-term and stable. 00:14:11.708 --> 00:14:16.825 Only then can we fundamentally solve the housing problem in a situation where we 00:14:16.825 --> 00:14:19.748 will industrialize very strongly and urbanize very strongly. 00:14:20.088 --> 00:14:23.888 Currently, Vietnam is only urbanized at 42%. 00:14:23.888 --> 00:14:30.384 But if according to the Party's resolution, by 2045, we basically become 00:14:30.384 --> 00:14:32.008 an industrialized country, 00:14:33.048 --> 00:14:35.828 What does that mean? Urbanization is about 80%. 00:14:35.828 --> 00:14:39.428 So we see that the whole journey we have traveled from the time of King Hung 00:14:39.428 --> 00:14:41.228 until now we have only gone half way. 00:14:41.628 --> 00:14:46.068 And the next 20 years, the next 21 years, we will have to go another 00:14:46.068 --> 00:14:47.548 half in this urbanization process. 00:14:47.988 --> 00:14:51.564 So we will have a lot of housing shortage, especially social housing, 00:14:51.564 --> 00:14:53.948 housing for workers, and for laborers in general. 00:14:54.372 --> 00:14:57.628 Yes, according to the explanation of the Ministry of Construction, some of the 00:14:57.628 --> 00:15:00.132 main reasons leading to the ineffective development of social housing 00:15:00.132 --> 00:15:03.960 That is due to the lack of incentive mechanisms for investors and not 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:05.432 strong enough to attract businesses. 00:15:05.432 --> 00:15:09.212 Preferential loans are still limited and conditions for buying social housing are still difficult. 00:15:09.212 --> 00:15:12.512 As someone who directly builds social housing, how do you evaluate these causes? 00:15:13.019 --> 00:15:17.899 The point of view about land shortage, I think it will be everywhere. 00:15:17.899 --> 00:15:21.459 And no matter how much we build, it will still be insufficient, as I just analyzed. 00:15:21.459 --> 00:15:24.859 However, we cannot say that we lack land. 00:15:24.859 --> 00:15:29.599 Because for decades now all commercial housing projects have been like that. 00:15:29.599 --> 00:15:34.719 Must leave 20% of land fund to build social housing 00:15:34.719 --> 00:15:37.439 I want to ask a question, where does that fund go? 00:15:37.439 --> 00:15:43.756 Many provinces are working with investors to only clear the 00:15:43.756 --> 00:15:45.019 remaining 80%. 00:15:45.019 --> 00:15:50.588 What about the 20% that they should have cleared so they could create clean 00:15:50.588 --> 00:15:52.179 land for social housing? 00:15:52.179 --> 00:15:53.679 Then they have not done it. 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:59.055 We just need to review that, I think we will have a relatively large land fund 00:15:59.055 --> 00:16:00.399 for us to develop. 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:05.339 In addition, we must both encourage and compel businesses. 00:16:05.339 --> 00:16:07.419 That is if you don't handle it. 00:16:07.419 --> 00:16:11.079 Use that and you will have to return it to get the land fund. 00:16:11.079 --> 00:16:12.899 According to the law 00:16:12.899 --> 00:16:14.499 To do social housing 00:16:14.499 --> 00:16:16.819 Basically we will not lack 00:16:16.819 --> 00:16:18.679 And the number 20% 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.459 Why have we been proposing this for decades? 00:16:22.459 --> 00:16:23.699 That is 00:16:23.699 --> 00:16:26.919 A very scientific way of calculating 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:28.239 Our Survey 00:16:28.239 --> 00:16:30.619 All developing countries 00:16:30.619 --> 00:16:33.939 And the developed countries then 00:16:33.939 --> 00:16:37.399 One in five people live in social housing. 00:16:37.419 --> 00:16:40.499 Of course they use different names. 00:16:40.499 --> 00:16:44.579 They use public housing and some other terms. 00:16:44.579 --> 00:16:47.759 But basically we can understand that it is a socialist house. 00:16:47.941 --> 00:16:52.301 Yes, currently buying or renting social housing still faces many difficulties and problems. 00:16:52.761 --> 00:16:56.755 According to the law, workers must meet two conditions: having a stable income 00:16:56.755 --> 00:16:59.212 and having difficult housing circumstances, and removing the 00:16:59.212 --> 00:17:00.441 condition of confirming residence. 00:17:00.581 --> 00:17:02.841 So what does this mean for workers, Mr. Le Van Nghia? 00:17:03.854 --> 00:17:07.509 It is true that from the time the housing law came into effect 00:17:07.509 --> 00:17:08.914 until Decree 100 was issued. 00:17:08.914 --> 00:17:11.534 effective from August 1, 2024 00:17:11.534 --> 00:17:16.594 then leave the opinion of the residential area 00:17:16.594 --> 00:17:19.694 That is to say it is very relevant now. 00:17:19.974 --> 00:17:23.294 Because it cannot be said that the workers are working in this local position. 00:17:23.294 --> 00:17:26.914 but when asking for opinions, you have to go back to your hometown to ask for certain things. 00:17:26.914 --> 00:17:30.634 he is here and there and has no house in any way 00:17:30.634 --> 00:17:34.034 so many things lead to very difficult for workers. 00:17:35.354 --> 00:17:39.194 After that we also fenced off with the Ministry of Construction. 00:17:39.194 --> 00:17:41.374 We agree with the ministries and branches. 00:17:41.374 --> 00:17:44.874 also proposed the Ministry of Unification of Vietnam is 00:17:44.874 --> 00:17:48.334 do not include this content in the law 00:17:48.334 --> 00:17:50.394 because it avoids inconvenience to workers. 00:17:50.754 --> 00:17:53.794 So when this content comes up 00:17:53.794 --> 00:17:55.974 then the workers are very excited 00:17:55.974 --> 00:17:58.974 must be picked up, has been supported a lot 00:17:58.974 --> 00:18:00.474 in this new housing law 00:18:01.246 --> 00:18:04.354 Yes, in some housing areas for workers in Hanoi, it can be seen that 00:18:04.354 --> 00:18:05.686 although the investment is very thorough, 00:18:05.686 --> 00:18:07.666 But these houses still have many limitations. 00:18:07.666 --> 00:18:09.526 First is the rapid deterioration of construction quality. 00:18:09.526 --> 00:18:12.306 Residents often have to complain about the quality of service. 00:18:12.306 --> 00:18:16.646 As well as frequent water shortages or elevator falls like at Kim Trung workers' housing area. 00:18:16.646 --> 00:18:18.786 Mr. Le Van Nghia, how do you evaluate this situation? 00:18:19.437 --> 00:18:23.567 In fact, if the current situation is like what you just said, it is one of 00:18:23.567 --> 00:18:24.857 the most dangerous construction projects. 00:18:25.977 --> 00:18:27.157 Most importantly safety work. 00:18:27.817 --> 00:18:32.397 Elevators that move people must be inspected before moving people. 00:18:33.197 --> 00:18:36.717 Second, it cannot be said that an elevator that falls normally like that is very dangerous. 00:18:37.597 --> 00:18:39.437 And there is the safety of the elevator. 00:18:40.357 --> 00:18:43.305 On the contrary, regarding electricity, water and other ancillary works, people 00:18:43.305 --> 00:18:45.717 still have to ensure the quality of the works. 00:18:45.717 --> 00:18:51.910 I think this is one of the problems that we have in the management 00:18:51.910 --> 00:18:53.237 of construction quality. 00:18:53.937 --> 00:18:58.791 Secondly, it must be said clearly and frankly that investors have not paid 00:18:58.791 --> 00:19:00.657 much attention to this field. 00:19:01.077 --> 00:19:06.624 As a result, investors who do not care about quality will eventually be 00:19:06.624 --> 00:19:08.757 affected in their business results. 00:19:09.417 --> 00:19:12.765 And not only your business results but also affect the future law that people 00:19:12.765 --> 00:19:14.917 will have doubts about and it is very dangerous. 00:19:15.717 --> 00:19:20.623 I don't want to see this house as if it were like that, then we must have a way 00:19:20.623 --> 00:19:24.237 to upgrade and repair it so that the workers and employees can enjoy it. 00:19:24.794 --> 00:19:26.114 Yes, what about Mr. Nguyen Hoang Nam? 00:19:26.114 --> 00:19:28.272 What do you think about the situation I just mentioned? 00:19:28.272 --> 00:19:33.314 My perspective is quite different, meaning that our law does not have any 00:19:33.314 --> 00:19:38.358 specific regulation that the quality of social housing must be lower than the 00:19:38.358 --> 00:19:39.910 quality of commercial housing. 00:19:40.710 --> 00:19:44.849 All comply with the same regulations and standards of the 00:19:44.849 --> 00:19:46.090 Ministry of Construction. 00:19:46.250 --> 00:19:51.246 Even from the perspective of a direct worker, I find that building social 00:19:51.246 --> 00:19:55.089 housing and having construction departments come and collect taxes is 00:19:55.089 --> 00:19:57.010 more difficult than commercial housing. 00:19:57.010 --> 00:20:00.780 Commercial housing only needs to collect the common system and common 00:20:00.780 --> 00:20:02.150 structure, but not apartments. 00:20:02.610 --> 00:20:10.477 But social housing is down to each brick, down to each ceiling, all are 00:20:10.477 --> 00:20:14.410 collected very carefully by local construction departments. 00:20:15.130 --> 00:20:19.090 Here, in addition to the quality enhancement factor, there is another 00:20:19.090 --> 00:20:23.050 factor that we must also determine very fairly with each other. 00:20:23.490 --> 00:20:25.950 That is how well we build. 00:20:27.010 --> 00:20:28.490 It will always deteriorate. 00:20:29.190 --> 00:20:36.808 And we will have to use service fees, maintenance fees so that we can ensure 00:20:36.808 --> 00:20:40.870 the operation of the systems in the buildings. 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:46.569 For example, the elevator system is clearly inspected very clearly when 00:20:46.569 --> 00:20:48.030 put into operation. 00:20:48.410 --> 00:20:55.050 But following Mr. Nghia's opinion, we must have more periodic inspections. 00:20:55.330 --> 00:20:56.910 We have to have regular maintenance. 00:20:57.010 --> 00:21:02.690 And the budget cannot be subsidized by the state or the investor. 00:21:03.070 --> 00:21:08.506 It is the users, the residents there, who will have to elect a board of 00:21:08.506 --> 00:21:12.130 directors and will have to spend money to do that. 00:21:12.250 --> 00:21:18.310 We need to eliminate the subsidy mechanism in the thinking of those 00:21:18.310 --> 00:21:20.330 living in high-rise apartments. 00:21:20.776 --> 00:21:25.232 Yes, it can be said that nowadays, to buy an apartment or a social house in 00:21:25.232 --> 00:21:29.689 big cities, a family has to save their whole life to buy a house, while the 00:21:29.689 --> 00:21:33.588 quality is not commensurate. Is this the reason why workers are not interested in 00:21:33.588 --> 00:21:35.816 a house for themselves? Mr. Nguyen Hong Nam. 00:21:36.149 --> 00:21:42.009 Here I continue to analyze, that is our quality. 00:21:42.009 --> 00:21:47.749 We can't let it degrade like that because of a few cases. 00:21:47.749 --> 00:21:49.749 Which affects the whole product type. 00:21:49.749 --> 00:21:54.329 Maybe the old type had a type of resettlement house. 00:21:54.329 --> 00:21:57.429 It is obvious that the quality is poor. 00:21:57.429 --> 00:22:03.149 But social housing now in my subjective opinion 00:22:03.149 --> 00:22:07.029 And also go to acceptance, go to construction, go to acceptance 00:22:07.029 --> 00:22:09.529 I have seen it everywhere and it is not inferior. 00:22:09.529 --> 00:22:14.269 Compared to the quality of normal commercial housing 00:22:14.269 --> 00:22:18.069 So we should not label it as social housing. 00:22:18.069 --> 00:22:21.069 Is housing for low income people 00:22:21.069 --> 00:22:25.069 Or is it only for people with very low income? 00:22:25.069 --> 00:22:27.849 The National Assembly has also fixed it. 00:22:27.849 --> 00:22:30.829 Under 15 million and 30 million for couples 00:22:30.829 --> 00:22:32.169 That's not low income. 00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:38.469 We see that the average income of workers is only 7 million. 00:22:38.469 --> 00:22:42.289 But this is the maximum income level up to 15 million per person. 00:22:42.289 --> 00:22:44.309 Or 30 million for both husband and wife 00:22:44.309 --> 00:22:46.349 Then that is not low income. 00:22:46.349 --> 00:22:48.689 And it's not low income. 00:22:48.689 --> 00:22:50.629 Then its quality can not be low. 00:22:50.629 --> 00:22:53.409 Social housing is housing favored by the state. 00:22:53.409 --> 00:22:56.369 In terms of no land use fees 00:22:56.369 --> 00:22:59.529 Control investors, do not benefit too much 00:22:59.529 --> 00:23:01.589 Not low income housing 00:23:03.149 --> 00:23:05.089 Strongly opposed 00:23:05.089 --> 00:23:08.829 A similar assessment is that social housing is low income housing. 00:23:08.829 --> 00:23:11.789 I study all the models around the world. 00:23:11.789 --> 00:23:13.229 There is not a single word 00:23:13.229 --> 00:23:15.089 Of all countries 00:23:15.089 --> 00:23:17.769 There was never a word low income in there. 00:23:17.769 --> 00:23:19.589 It is not for the rich 00:23:19.589 --> 00:23:22.309 But it is for the common working people. 00:23:22.309 --> 00:23:23.309 And workers 00:23:23.309 --> 00:23:26.209 I would also say that they must have some savings. 00:23:26.209 --> 00:23:27.789 If we have a loan 00:23:27.789 --> 00:23:30.989 Then the workers must also have an initial accumulation. 00:23:30.989 --> 00:23:32.069 Certain 00:23:32.069 --> 00:23:33.129 For example an initial accumulation 00:23:33.149 --> 00:23:35.789 Apartment about 400 million 00:23:35.789 --> 00:23:41.369 Then the workers must also get 20 to 30%. 00:23:41.369 --> 00:23:43.089 Of that number 00:23:44.009 --> 00:23:45.589 That means saving more than 100 million. 00:23:45.589 --> 00:23:49.929 And I think a lot of people can accumulate that amount. 00:23:49.929 --> 00:23:51.789 In the moment before buying a house 00:23:52.297 --> 00:23:56.600 Yes, so to promote the development of social housing for workers, what is the 00:23:56.600 --> 00:23:59.673 role of raising awareness for the political system, businesses, and 00:23:59.673 --> 00:24:02.747 workers about the importance of building social housing, Mr. expert, 00:24:02.747 --> 00:24:03.977 Mr. Le Van Nghia? 00:24:04.936 --> 00:24:09.176 First of all, our political system is one that we must have an approach to. 00:24:10.456 --> 00:24:12.596 But the fact is we have been approaching for a very long time. 00:24:13.276 --> 00:24:16.616 The Party and the State that we are very concerned about social housing. 00:24:17.856 --> 00:24:20.656 Second, businesses have also approached a lot. 00:24:21.636 --> 00:24:27.216 And for today's workers we are beginning to transition to the model of industrialization. 00:24:27.856 --> 00:24:31.276 Then we concentrate all the industrial parks and export processing zones in one place. 00:24:31.276 --> 00:24:35.496 So that we can have something to gather the workforce. 00:24:36.256 --> 00:24:38.536 And our productivity is concentrated. 00:24:39.156 --> 00:24:42.576 Then let that model grow rapidly. 00:24:42.996 --> 00:24:47.716 Then it leads to not being a business, not being an organization. 00:24:48.156 --> 00:24:49.736 But the political system we have to get involved in. 00:24:50.256 --> 00:24:52.476 To ensure social security for everyone. 00:24:52.996 --> 00:24:54.416 Then that is extremely urgent and necessary. 00:24:55.392 --> 00:24:59.025 So what role does continuing to improve social housing policies and institutions 00:24:59.025 --> 00:25:02.052 play in promoting social housing development, Mr. Nguyen Hoang Nac? 00:25:02.277 --> 00:25:08.325 Because I see that our recent change in housing law comes with 00:25:08.325 --> 00:25:09.837 decrees and circulars. 00:25:09.837 --> 00:25:16.257 It has been a revolution in the whole way of looking at social housing. 00:25:16.897 --> 00:25:22.994 We are more open-minded, we are not so bound by extremely 00:25:22.994 --> 00:25:24.657 demanding views anymore. 00:25:24.657 --> 00:25:29.857 But now only need two criteria, that is income is not too high 00:25:29.857 --> 00:25:33.057 and secondly there is no housing locally. 00:25:33.417 --> 00:25:38.249 But when we have to accept that in their hometown they can have the land 00:25:38.249 --> 00:25:39.537 left by their ancestors. 00:25:39.537 --> 00:25:43.077 But they went to a city and they didn't have a home there. 00:25:43.077 --> 00:25:45.297 then people can still buy. 00:25:45.797 --> 00:25:50.197 Institutional reform is perhaps the decisive factor for the development 00:25:50.197 --> 00:25:51.517 of social housing. 00:25:51.757 --> 00:25:56.252 Because if we keep building, encouraging businesses to build but can't 00:25:56.252 --> 00:25:57.477 sell or rent, 00:25:57.477 --> 00:25:58.917 then no one wants to do it. 00:25:59.517 --> 00:26:02.397 The strength of the business will also gradually run out. 00:26:02.917 --> 00:26:05.737 Only when we can get rid of the system like the past 00:26:05.737 --> 00:26:10.517 then i see that the workers, all the people who buy social housing 00:26:10.517 --> 00:26:13.137 is accepting the whole thing is a joke. 00:26:13.757 --> 00:26:21.477 However, it still has things, it still has things that are legally clear. 00:26:21.477 --> 00:26:23.937 But the process of doing it is still not smooth. 00:26:23.937 --> 00:26:27.937 That is the unit where... 00:26:27.937 --> 00:26:33.409 center or branch of the land registration center of a local district 00:26:33.409 --> 00:26:34.777 or city level 00:26:34.777 --> 00:26:40.137 must go confirm that it is a guy A plus his wife and husband if any 00:26:40.137 --> 00:26:43.617 There is not a single house in the whole province. 00:26:44.657 --> 00:26:48.397 It means that a guy at the district level has to go and confirm in the whole province. 00:26:48.397 --> 00:26:51.637 then this leads to it being very long. 00:26:52.017 --> 00:26:57.917 And even for those who are qualified, after this decree 100 00:26:57.937 --> 00:27:02.217 It's longer than there was no housing law. 00:27:02.377 --> 00:27:04.877 Under the old housing law the process would have been even faster. 00:27:05.457 --> 00:27:08.477 Well that is also a hindrance. 00:27:08.477 --> 00:27:13.037 Then we also strongly recommend that we use the post-sue mechanism. 00:27:14.117 --> 00:27:17.097 Now the person who declares must also take responsibility for himself. 00:27:17.317 --> 00:27:23.517 If there is such a thing as fraud, we will boldly deal with it. 00:27:24.257 --> 00:27:27.097 Even criminal proceedings can be handled now it is very easy. 00:27:27.937 --> 00:27:30.777 Obviously it is impossible for you to have a home or not without knowing 00:27:30.777 --> 00:27:32.197 whether you have a home or not. 00:27:32.897 --> 00:27:36.017 It is not a small asset but a very large asset. 00:27:36.337 --> 00:27:42.457 So if we accept that we will sue and punish very heavily those cases of fraud. 00:27:42.457 --> 00:27:49.087 then perhaps the process of people approaching the whole society will be 00:27:49.087 --> 00:27:51.297 quicker and more neat. 00:27:51.297 --> 00:27:54.437 and we will develop social housing even faster. 00:27:54.622 --> 00:27:57.482 It can be seen that access to social housing is still difficult. 00:27:57.822 --> 00:28:01.622 To promote this segment, how should the role of the Trade Union be promoted? 00:28:03.143 --> 00:28:07.247 Firstly, the role of trade unions is very important, including taking care of 00:28:07.247 --> 00:28:10.403 protecting the rights and ensuring the legitimate rights of workers. 00:28:11.223 --> 00:28:18.164 Including care, care is in the constitution, in the current legal 00:28:18.164 --> 00:28:23.843 regulations, especially in our trade union law in 2012, 00:28:24.503 --> 00:28:27.187 We are currently revising and supplementing, it is very specific in 00:28:27.187 --> 00:28:30.603 the field and role of trade unions in the work of building social housing. 00:28:30.603 --> 00:28:36.223 We must see that in 2017, the General Delegation of Vietnam proposed to the 00:28:36.223 --> 00:28:40.639 Prime Minister to carry out the work of building housing for 00:28:40.639 --> 00:28:41.843 workers and laborers. 00:28:41.843 --> 00:28:44.337 in the experience zone and export processing zone according to Decision 00:28:44.337 --> 00:28:45.923 655 of the Prime Minister in 2017. 00:28:47.163 --> 00:28:51.797 On that basis, we see that the Vietnam General Confederation is also very 00:28:51.797 --> 00:28:55.718 concerned and takes care of the labor force in industrial zones 00:28:55.718 --> 00:28:57.143 and export processing zones. 00:28:57.383 --> 00:28:59.523 Because there are so many workers and laborers, people really need houses. 00:29:00.603 --> 00:29:03.778 However, in the implementation program, the Vietnam General Delegation has not 00:29:03.778 --> 00:29:06.663 been able to implement it due to some legal reasons. 00:29:08.083 --> 00:29:12.483 And as the General Delegation of Vietnam, we are determined to propose to 00:29:12.483 --> 00:29:16.883 the Party, the State, and especially the National Assembly, to take such care. 00:29:18.023 --> 00:29:22.703 Recently, after a period of continuous fighting, the role of the Vietnam 00:29:22.703 --> 00:29:27.383 General Delegation has been recognized by the Party, the State, the National 00:29:27.383 --> 00:29:28.943 Assembly, and the people. 00:29:30.603 --> 00:29:36.710 The Vietnam General Delegation also supports the recent housing law, housing 00:29:36.710 --> 00:29:45.038 law number 27 of 2023, which has just added item 4 of article 80 of 00:29:45.038 --> 00:29:46.703 the housing law. 00:29:47.523 --> 00:29:51.005 Allow the Vietnam General Confederation of Labor to be the governing body and 00:29:51.005 --> 00:29:53.683 invest in social housing for citizens and workers to rent. 00:29:54.463 --> 00:29:58.455 That is one of the great successes, the role of the trade union 00:29:58.455 --> 00:29:59.683 is raised very high. 00:30:00.603 --> 00:30:06.063 All people, workers, Party, State, Government will be very supportive. 00:30:06.903 --> 00:30:08.923 That is one of the very important roles of trade unions. 00:30:09.385 --> 00:30:13.502 Besides the role of trade unions, what is the role of good implementation, 00:30:13.502 --> 00:30:16.669 publicity, transparency, and focusing on inspection and supervision of the 00:30:16.669 --> 00:30:18.885 construction, leasing, and purchase of social housing? 00:30:19.966 --> 00:30:26.606 How to make social housing accessible to all 00:30:26.606 --> 00:30:28.886 The law has also been very specific. 00:30:28.886 --> 00:30:35.046 That's us if there were 2 on 1 00:30:35.046 --> 00:30:41.826 An apartment that has more than one interested person applying for. 00:30:41.826 --> 00:30:46.686 Then we will have to give priority to those who have contributed to the revolution. 00:30:46.686 --> 00:30:47.806 People with disabilities 00:30:47.806 --> 00:30:53.806 Also, if there is no such object, we must draw lots in a very public manner. 00:30:53.806 --> 00:30:59.426 Well, I think the best thing to monitor is to make it public. 00:30:59.426 --> 00:31:04.506 Everything we publish in the media 00:31:04.506 --> 00:31:07.606 Electronic portals of construction departments 00:31:07.606 --> 00:31:09.266 Now we have it easy 00:31:09.266 --> 00:31:16.986 Where we need to be is there an information about eligible social housing 00:31:16.986 --> 00:31:20.538 If we go to the local construction department portal on the first floor, we 00:31:20.538 --> 00:31:21.806 can find it right away. 00:31:21.806 --> 00:31:26.786 There they are open about the price they are open about the application process 00:31:26.786 --> 00:31:32.606 It doesn't have something to do wrong 00:31:32.606 --> 00:31:39.306 And people have every right to complain if that happens in a non-public manner. 00:31:40.139 --> 00:31:43.959 Yes, besides what you just mentioned, there are also some lingering issues. 00:31:43.959 --> 00:31:45.939 Housing quality is still a matter of concern for people. 00:31:45.939 --> 00:31:48.719 So Mr. Le Van Nghia, what should we do, what solutions are needed? 00:31:48.719 --> 00:31:51.339 So we can improve the quality of construction for workers' housing? 00:31:52.357 --> 00:31:55.437 Then I think there must be two solutions. 00:31:56.157 --> 00:31:59.477 The first solution is for state management agencies to get involved. 00:32:00.097 --> 00:32:03.617 Because currently the Ministry of Construction has a department to assess the quality of construction works. 00:32:04.477 --> 00:32:07.397 Of course those units must have focuses. 00:32:07.397 --> 00:32:14.663 to verify, then inspect, then supervise those things in the 00:32:14.663 --> 00:32:16.117 construction project. 00:32:16.717 --> 00:32:20.097 However, we see that nowadays in any construction project 00:32:20.097 --> 00:32:23.157 then there is an assessment, assessment of state authorities 00:32:23.157 --> 00:32:26.377 on construction drawing design and basic design. 00:32:27.157 --> 00:32:29.077 So that assessment is an assessment of the quality of the project. 00:32:30.277 --> 00:32:32.457 The second thing is about the state agencies we manage. 00:32:32.577 --> 00:32:34.057 We have a responsibility to monitor. 00:32:35.297 --> 00:32:38.237 The second is the responsibility of the home builder. 00:32:39.177 --> 00:32:41.997 Then we must also have managers, 00:32:43.277 --> 00:32:47.357 then it is managed, especially the management of input materials, 00:32:48.117 --> 00:32:50.077 then manage the distribution, 00:32:50.097 --> 00:32:53.777 that we build, and then manage everything related to 00:32:53.777 --> 00:32:57.097 what we do about worker management 00:32:57.757 --> 00:32:59.677 Then there are many workers who can design like this, 00:32:59.777 --> 00:33:01.817 but people are negligent so that they cannot guarantee, 00:33:01.957 --> 00:33:04.297 especially those works, outbuildings, 00:33:04.837 --> 00:33:05.997 usually it's because of that. 00:33:06.557 --> 00:33:08.737 And the corners, the corners where we get soaked, 00:33:09.437 --> 00:33:13.197 then there are the things, generally a lot of things for us to control. 00:33:13.837 --> 00:33:16.357 So the function, the biggest role we have is two units. 00:33:16.857 --> 00:33:18.617 One is the investor agency. 00:33:20.097 --> 00:33:24.057 State surveillance agency, we step in to give workers and employees 00:33:24.057 --> 00:33:27.737 And in general, social housing is more stable. 00:33:28.317 --> 00:33:31.417 And we also told the Ministry of Construction and the Ministry of Construction agreed. 00:33:32.457 --> 00:33:36.064 And recently the Ministry of Construction also unanimously 00:33:36.064 --> 00:33:37.417 issued a circular, 00:33:38.117 --> 00:33:41.317 About circular 816, it is very specific. 00:33:42.137 --> 00:33:46.383 Previously we had two tables, one was the investment yield 00:33:46.383 --> 00:33:47.657 of commercial housing. 00:33:48.097 --> 00:33:50.077 The second table is the investment rate table of social housing. 00:33:50.077 --> 00:33:51.797 Then this is not suitable. 00:33:52.457 --> 00:33:58.144 And we have proposed and the Ministry of Construction has also signed a 00:33:58.144 --> 00:33:59.457 very appropriate circular. 00:33:59.857 --> 00:34:02.537 Currently there is only one investment rate. 00:34:03.157 --> 00:34:06.838 There is no such thing as social housing having this investment rate and 00:34:06.838 --> 00:34:08.537 commercial housing having that investment rate. 00:34:09.157 --> 00:34:12.917 The Ministry of Construction has just issued a very clear circular. 00:34:12.917 --> 00:34:18.102 and according to circular 1816, the export market is common for 00:34:18.102 --> 00:34:19.517 all construction works. 00:34:20.077 --> 00:34:24.077 That is a good thing in this medieval quality work. 00:34:25.025 --> 00:34:28.925 So to erase people's bad impressions of social housing 00:34:28.925 --> 00:34:30.745 So what solutions do we need, Mr. Nguyen Hoang? 00:34:31.201 --> 00:34:33.081 I think so 00:34:33.081 --> 00:34:35.001 We are legally 00:34:35.001 --> 00:34:36.401 As Mr. Nghia just said 00:34:36.401 --> 00:34:39.101 We have eliminated the quota. 00:34:39.101 --> 00:34:41.021 Investment is not possible 00:34:41.021 --> 00:34:43.181 And this used to be a bit ridiculous. 00:34:43.181 --> 00:34:44.921 Commerce is 100% 00:34:44.921 --> 00:34:46.821 And society is only 80% of 00:34:46.821 --> 00:34:48.181 0.8% of that 00:34:48.181 --> 00:34:49.761 Then we have left it. 00:34:49.761 --> 00:34:52.281 The second one is like I said. 00:34:52.281 --> 00:34:54.601 That is the economic standard. 00:34:54.601 --> 00:34:56.701 As for technical standards, we do not have any. 00:34:56.701 --> 00:34:58.381 A standard and also not 00:34:58.381 --> 00:34:59.981 Is there a standard? 00:34:59.981 --> 00:35:02.541 Definition of socialism must be 00:35:02.541 --> 00:35:04.961 Lower, lower standards 00:35:05.581 --> 00:35:08.621 The third thing is that we have also 00:35:08.621 --> 00:35:10.761 Upgrade the warranty process 00:35:10.761 --> 00:35:12.681 Investor's now up to 5 years 00:35:12.681 --> 00:35:14.781 If there is water seepage, which house has water seepage? 00:35:14.781 --> 00:35:16.801 Because we can't manage either. 00:35:16.801 --> 00:35:18.841 100% paid by the investor within 5 years 00:35:18.841 --> 00:35:20.721 Will have to come to 00:35:20.721 --> 00:35:22.141 Look again 00:35:22.141 --> 00:35:24.301 Then all the errors will have to be fixed. 00:35:24.301 --> 00:35:26.381 Related to what 00:35:26.381 --> 00:35:27.841 The investor did not do well. 00:35:27.841 --> 00:35:29.861 And one more thing 00:35:29.861 --> 00:35:32.501 Then I also really hope that the media agencies 00:35:32.501 --> 00:35:33.721 As labor newspaper 00:35:33.721 --> 00:35:35.921 We should also communicate what is 00:35:35.921 --> 00:35:38.121 Social housing is not 00:35:38.121 --> 00:35:39.761 Low quality house 00:35:39.761 --> 00:35:42.281 Not low income housing 00:35:42.818 --> 00:35:47.718 Yes, recently we have witnessed the migration of many workers in industrial zones. 00:35:47.978 --> 00:35:51.492 Part of the reason for this is that the standard of living in the city is too 00:35:51.492 --> 00:35:53.558 high, and workers' incomes make it impossible to settle down. 00:35:53.978 --> 00:35:57.218 Is it true that the policies on workers' housing are still not suitable to reality? 00:35:59.035 --> 00:36:03.250 Then it is true that we must determine that it is the point of view 00:36:03.250 --> 00:36:04.655 of each person, of everyone, 00:36:05.795 --> 00:36:09.883 where it is easier to find a job, where the standard of living is higher, and 00:36:09.883 --> 00:36:11.415 where the living conditions are better, 00:36:11.875 --> 00:36:12.895 then people will send it there. 00:36:13.615 --> 00:36:17.175 Well that is the natural thing that we all have to strive for. 00:36:17.835 --> 00:36:24.495 On that basis, all big cities have a very high concentration of workers. 00:36:24.835 --> 00:36:28.435 So the things we know are Ho Chi Minh City, then Hanoi City, 00:36:29.515 --> 00:36:34.875 Then in big cities, we almost have very high concentrations of workers. 00:36:35.735 --> 00:36:40.789 Because of that standard of living, the living conditions and especially when 00:36:40.789 --> 00:36:42.895 children and dogs are born, 00:36:43.715 --> 00:36:48.332 Parents' wish is to give their children the earliest and best possible 00:36:48.332 --> 00:36:50.255 environment to achieve their goals. 00:36:51.095 --> 00:36:53.195 On that basis, such migration is inevitable. 00:36:54.135 --> 00:36:57.635 And on that basis, our country's political party has also determined very clearly. 00:36:59.035 --> 00:37:05.055 Resources to give to places with high citizenship, then there are conditions. 00:37:05.755 --> 00:37:09.735 But in reality, we still haven't met it. 00:37:10.755 --> 00:37:16.035 For example, in Hanoi city, the price we push up for apartments is very high. 00:37:17.435 --> 00:37:22.315 And secondly, other places are very normal, no price is that high. 00:37:22.815 --> 00:37:28.795 Well that is one of the signs that the demand is very high. 00:37:30.435 --> 00:37:33.315 So I think we have to be more realistic about this. 00:37:34.415 --> 00:37:38.415 That is, to build social housing, as Mr. Nam said, we must determine that 00:37:38.415 --> 00:37:43.015 Social housing means housing for settlement for major social problems. 00:37:43.715 --> 00:37:46.655 And people have low income conditions. 00:37:47.315 --> 00:37:48.475 That's to be left alone. 00:37:49.255 --> 00:37:52.075 That and the fact we have determined that the migration is very high. 00:37:52.475 --> 00:37:56.915 And then we have to have something to focus resources on to make it happen. 00:37:59.035 --> 00:38:03.127 It is very dangerous if we build resources that are spread 00:38:03.127 --> 00:38:04.615 equally across all provinces. 00:38:05.035 --> 00:38:11.515 And we need to focus on which cities and places have large population migration. 00:38:12.355 --> 00:38:15.835 and concentrates many industries and industrial zones. 00:38:16.315 --> 00:38:20.221 We should concentrate the housing areas there so that people can access them and 00:38:20.221 --> 00:38:21.895 have a place to settle down. 00:38:22.507 --> 00:38:25.407 Besides the proposals of Mr. Le Van Nghia, Mr. Nguyen Hoang Nam 00:38:25.407 --> 00:38:29.127 What do you think to make social housing development more effective in the future? 00:38:30.117 --> 00:38:36.817 First of all, we have a lot of opinions that we criticize this and that. 00:38:36.817 --> 00:38:39.437 But let me give you a very simple example. 00:38:39.437 --> 00:38:43.837 Our country is not rich yet, not poor anymore but not rich yet. 00:38:43.837 --> 00:38:47.257 But on par with our level of development. 00:38:47.257 --> 00:38:51.417 Then we look at many countries, they have very large slums. 00:38:51.417 --> 00:38:52.577 But Vietnam does not have 00:38:52.577 --> 00:38:58.497 Without us developing we have a certain fairness. 00:38:58.497 --> 00:39:05.137 What about satisfying 100% of people's housing needs? 00:39:05.137 --> 00:39:07.457 Maybe we will have to struggle a lot. 00:39:07.457 --> 00:39:12.577 What we are doing, what we are actively doing 00:39:12.577 --> 00:39:14.437 It also needs to be noted. 00:39:14.437 --> 00:39:18.477 We, the party and the state have had policies on social security. 00:39:18.477 --> 00:39:20.737 Including a housing policy. 00:39:20.737 --> 00:39:22.977 He loves Vietnam very much. 00:39:22.977 --> 00:39:26.337 If there were no social housing policy 00:39:26.337 --> 00:39:28.477 Now house prices in Hanoi 00:39:28.497 --> 00:39:33.177 And Ho Chi Minh City is at a population level of 60 to 70 million. 00:39:34.077 --> 00:39:37.277 For average apartments not high-end 00:39:37.277 --> 00:39:42.657 So how can Gen Z young people buy it? 00:39:42.657 --> 00:39:46.997 If you are not talented, you cannot have a house. 00:39:46.997 --> 00:39:49.657 Then we will have to develop social housing. 00:39:49.657 --> 00:39:54.577 We will have to be proactive in developing social housing. 00:39:54.577 --> 00:39:57.537 By the way we have to encourage 00:39:58.497 --> 00:40:02.157 Businesses and unions alike are in awe. 00:40:02.157 --> 00:40:04.377 Encouragement for the worker 00:40:04.377 --> 00:40:05.997 People are more attached to businesses 00:40:05.997 --> 00:40:07.457 More connected to the local community 00:40:07.457 --> 00:40:08.637 Where people work 00:40:08.637 --> 00:40:14.857 As well as how we can be more open. 00:40:14.857 --> 00:40:16.397 In the matter of social housing access 00:40:16.397 --> 00:40:19.557 We consider that thing as completely normal. 00:40:19.557 --> 00:40:22.757 Not that it is something 00:40:22.757 --> 00:40:27.206 It's too high or many voters say that you have to be on TV 00:40:27.206 --> 00:40:28.477 to buy social housing. 00:40:28.497 --> 00:40:30.037 I don't think it's that bad. 00:40:30.037 --> 00:40:32.977 Of course in the provinces and cities that are too big 00:40:32.977 --> 00:40:34.297 For example Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City 00:40:34.297 --> 00:40:36.857 Then the need is too high. 00:40:36.857 --> 00:40:39.577 But in other provinces and cities, we do not record that phenomenon. 00:40:40.173 --> 00:40:43.893 Thank you for the great sharing and contributions of the two guests on today's program. 00:40:43.893 --> 00:40:46.953 And ladies and gentlemen, the program has come to an end. 00:40:46.953 --> 00:40:48.513 Thank you for your interest and attention. 00:40:48.513 --> 00:40:49.993 And now goodbye and see you again.